The case against the Shuffle
I was at Nokia in Helsinki on Tuesday running a workshop on the Long Tail. I was impressed by how much brainpower they had in house, and how much they were inviting in. Just in the past week I'd been preceded by Henry Jenkins, Cory Doctorow, Esther Dyson, CK Prahalad and probably a few others that I'm forgetting about.
One of the interesting questions that came up during the workshop was about Apple's new iPod Shuffle. In provacateur mode, I described it as a "value subtract" product, arguing that the lack of a display would limit its success. I got a fierce reaction from one of the Nokia's researchers, who thinks it will be a huge hit because of its passive entertainment value: with near-zero effort on your part, the Shuffle offers a fresh selection of music from your collection, both randomly copied from your hard drive and played in random order. As Apple's marketing puts it: "iPod Shuffle adds musical spontaneity to your life. Lose control. Love it."
This was a good opportunity to put Long Tail theory to the test--what would the rules I've set out predict about the Shuffle's commercial future? The answer: they argue against it. Here's why.
You can think of the thousands of songs on your hard drive as a Long Tail of sorts. Even though you've bought, ripped, or downloaded them all, they're not all your personal "hits". Some of those tracks are songs you don't care for on albums you otherwise like; others are albums you wish you hadn't bought or ripped in the first place. And yet others are songs that you've simply grown tired of. In other words, the signal-to-noise ratio in your own collection can be nearly as variable as that in any commercial music service.
The difference is that the commercial services provide recommendations, editors' picks, bestseller lists and collaborative filtering to suppress most of the junk. This is important: a key element in extracting value from any Long Tail is the ability to find the diamonds in the rough, which gets harder the further into the rough you go. In other words, a Long Tail without good filters is just noise.
So that, in a nutshell, is the case against the Shuffle. For anyone with a big music collection (thousands of tracks) a random walk through their entire library is statistically likely to be an unwelcome reaquaintance with mistaken purchases, whim rips, filler album tracks and embarrassing ghosts of music taste past. And if you're anything like me, that gets annoying real fast.
Now, I know that the shuffle feature can be turned off and you can load the device with any playlist you want. But then it's just another mini music player, save the quite useful feature of telling you which track is playing and allowing you to choose another without having to memorize their order. That's what I meant by "value subtract." No doubt they'll still sell millions, such is Apple's brand and momentum. But I don't think the Shuffle will have anything like the impact of the original iPod itself.




Chris, I thought you were in India on Tuesday, and heading to Bangalore. Are you doing a study on jet-lag?
Posted by: David | January 27, 2005 at 10:33 AM
Question is: do people with thousands of songs want an iPod shuffle or a 20/40/60 gB iPod?
Posted by: Mark Wubben | January 27, 2005 at 10:43 AM
Actually, I'm in Davos now, but I'm somewhat backlogged with my posts. I've still got a few more India essays to come. And then whatever strikes me here at the World Economic Forum.
Posted by: Chris Anderson | January 27, 2005 at 10:43 AM
Slightly off topic, but here's an example of how iTunes tries to sell ONLY tail while locking out popular items.
I bought Jimmy Eat World's "Last Christmas" as a single off the O.C. holiday soundtrack from iTunes in December. Now iTunes only allows a few songs from that compilation album to be sold as stand alone downloads. To get certain songs you have to buy the entire album.
Why the change? Did some agreement expire? Were certain downloads cannibalizing sales?
In the end, who cares why. All I see as a consumer is that the "spaghetti code" of legal issues and market segmentation that drives the music industry means lost sales and unhappy customers.
Posted by: nathan | January 27, 2005 at 11:47 AM
Chris, I didn't realize you were conducting "Long Tail workshops." Any chance we could persuade you to come to North Carolina to do a workshop with us at Lulu.com? We could bring in the Red Hat folks, too, if you were interested.
Posted by: Stephen | January 27, 2005 at 12:12 PM
Millions of people listen to the radio, despite the fact that radio stations occasionally (or frequently) play songs that an individual does not like. Listening to a large selection of your music collection on shuffle is like having a radio station preloaded with music you probably already like - but if a song comes up that you don't like, you can actually *skip* it. And you can even fine-tune your radio station's playlist when you get the opportunity. For this reason, I don't see the Shuffle as having less impact than the iPod - the principles are generally the same, it's just somewhat less powerful.
Posted by: Kirsten | January 27, 2005 at 12:16 PM
One could make the claim that iTunes acts as a value-added editor because it can autofill the Shuffle with songs with a higher rating. Thus the normal iPod is perfect for those who want to carry the entire The Long Tail with them, but the Shuffle is a useful and complementary device.
Posted by: Bob Mason | January 27, 2005 at 12:23 PM
I just got mine yesterday!!
I agree that there are a lot of songs in my collection that I do not care about and I'd rather not hear them again. However, the iTunes/iPod combo can (will?) improve over time to learn what you liked vs. what you skipped over, and favor the tracks you like. They thus build personalised filters without users needing to program them explicitly (less work) and also create a user lock-in.
There are also two other elements of "addition by subtraction" - (a) I just can't get over how light it is (it feels lighter than the pack of chewing gum), and (b) they were able to bring the price point down to $150 for 1GB. Not bad!!
Posted by: Amit | January 27, 2005 at 12:25 PM
Chris, Begging to differ, the "tail" here is iTunes on ones desktop, not iPod Shuffle. The iPod Shuffle (and I've used one for a week, so I'm speaking from experience) may, to you, be just another mp3 player. But, in reality, it's another means for me and 10 million others to extend our enjoyment of the individual tunes in the long tail of our iTunes collection. For a lot of the same reasons you suggest the Shuffle will fail, I predicted the demise of the iPod Mini. I wouldn't bet against the iPod Shuffle: remember, iTunes is the special sauce of Apple's long tail strategy.
Posted by: Rex Hammock | January 27, 2005 at 01:08 PM
Musicmobs has an application called Mobster that uses collaborative filtering to show similar artists in your own library. It also allows you to make playlists out of the recommendations. I imagine that this would work good with the Shuffle, as you could say "I want to listen to stuff that sounds like the Pixies", then have Mobster make the playlist for you and sync to the Shuffle. Then it becomes something of a smart radio.
Posted by: Toby | January 27, 2005 at 01:28 PM
As a stand-alone execution, the Shuffle looks like a likely candidate for failure. But, the argument ignores some of the other factors that made the original iPod successful: software and culture. Without the iTunes software, the iPod would have met the same fate as the Pippin and Apple III. Without the cult(ure) of Mac and its emphasis on the value of the exclusivity/membership, the iPod would have been another overpriced Apple accessory.
Acknowledging Rex & Toby's points, I'll give Apple the benefit of the doubt and guess that they'll be extending iTunes to support the Shuffle (and others) in new ways. Plug in your Shuffle and Apple could give you the option of loading your player with a sort of Current Long Tail Community Playlist. Your library would need to contain those songs in the playlist, and anything missing from it could be offered/promoted to you in the iTunes interface. Apple can tweak the algorithm that builds the playlist to meet a desired sales/consumer tolerance threshold. I'm not as likely to buy 20 songs to fill gaps in a new and unknown playlist, but one or two from acts I'm unfamiliar with might be welcome. Pushing new content would keep with Apple's ad strategy of relinquishing control. Simply resorting your own forgotten or discarded tracks ignores the value of novelty and the law of diminishing returns. Apple would do well to take a cue from Mobster and the growing social tools. Imagine a service (or user hack) along that would plug into Del.icio.us, find read the music tag and return the newest playlist. The adoption rate would likely be lower than the Long Tail Playlist due to sheer expense, but the idea is that hopefully Apple and their user commuity haven't shown the limits of their creativity yet.
Posted by: robert | January 27, 2005 at 03:43 PM
Chris, I think your post is bit too much like you've got a hammer and everything looks like a nail. I understand your point, but your idea about the long tail of one's music collection is a bit too meta-meta I think (and law of dimishing returns). I personally just delete music I don't like any more after I burn it to CD.
And Nathan, I agree with you about iTunes not allowing you to purchase any song. That is a trend that will only get worse, not better.
Posted by: Peter Lakanen | January 27, 2005 at 04:32 PM
I can't tell if you've used the Shuffle or just read about it, so it might have an experential differential. I wasn't sure about it until I got a unit for review, and once I played with Autofill, I'm of a different mind than you.
Autofill in its very primitive version 1.0 lets you randomly select weighted by ratings that you've given your song. (Let's not explore the fact that you can't synchronize and upload your ratings across multiple computers, share them, import them and export them as XML, etc.)
Once you get a Shuffle, your next natural behavior is to start rating songs. Over a very short time Autofill becomes closer and closer to your actual taste instead of your entire library.
You also disregard the value of chance. My first autofill loaded a variety of fascinating choices including short segments from the audiobook of a Harry Potter title, songs from my wife's music collection I had never heard, and music I love that I'd forgotten about.
The Long Tail can involve your own personal backlist of interest and mood as well as the more global issue. That is, there's a long tail attached to me (memories, for starters) and a long tail attached to everything else, too.
Posted by: Glenn Fleishman | January 27, 2005 at 07:04 PM
As several people have pointed out, you can fill based on rating. Personally, I have an ipod mini, and when I first got it, I created a playlist of only unrated songs, listened through it, and rated them. (Which worked well since I already had formed opinions since before I got the mini). Now I've rated all the songs, I have a random playlist of 35 songs I haven't heard in 3 weeks and are rated 3 stars or greater, filtering out the crap, but playing something fresh all the time. If I get some new music, I mix these two playlists together, which works pretty well.
I don't know if the shuffle can rate songs, or if you can only do it in iTunes, but even if the latter, the theory still works. (I don't actually sit in front of my computer at home with iTunes all that much, but people with laptops would use it much more).
Skipping is also a useful source of metadata - if you don't like a song and skip it all the time, the times played count won't increase as much as other songs of the same rating, although you'll need a lot of plays for this data to be statistically sound.
Posted by: James | January 28, 2005 at 05:05 AM
How come nobody has mentioned the "party shuffle" feature in iTunes? It's a shuffle, of my long tail library, and it consistently produces music that I want to listen to. I don't think it is completely random, however, which would make it different than what you're describing Chris.
That said, is the iPod shuffle completely random? Does it play my Christmas music as much as Pearl Jam? I wonder...I don't have one, so I don't know.
What I do know is that party shuffle is a shuffle that works well.
Posted by: Joshua Porter | January 28, 2005 at 08:43 AM
I'll bet against you, Chris, and for the shuffle. In part because the shuffle will continue to evolve: maybe they'll add a way to rate a song while it plays, a rating which will come back to your iTunes.
Listen, the average american listens to 21 hours of radio per week -- and as far as they are concerned its on random shuffle -- no control and they love it. The shuffle is just your personal radio station with your own personal long tail play list. What is not to like?
We just have to decide how many millions sold will be "failure."
Posted by: Kevin Kelly | January 28, 2005 at 10:25 AM
"Question is: do people with thousands of songs want an iPod shuffle or a 20/40/60 gB iPod?"
That's easy: both!
Cmparing the Shuffle experience to other iPods is a mistake. The Shuffle's more like you're own personal radio station and last I checked, people listened to music radio in large numbers. In fact there's a host of different ways to fill up a Shuffle and I suspect a random selection from an entire library will not be the norm.
Posted by: pb | January 28, 2005 at 11:39 AM
As a recent iPod Mini user, I've noticed that I simply *hate* to choose the next song. The bloody machine is hard to dig from under your clothes, and especially during winter time the UI is hard to handle. And since iTunes autoplaylists tend to produce relatively sane and nice lists, the screen is mostly just added convenience when choosing which playlist I want.
I think the Shuffle is a part of the left side of the equation - the mass part. Not everything can be personal.
Posted by: Janne | January 28, 2005 at 12:58 PM
Here's a twist: Shuffle owners will make up the tail and account for the majority of iPod usage.
Posted by: pb | January 28, 2005 at 01:43 PM
"[1] Some of those tracks are songs you don't care for on albums you otherwise like; others are albums you wish you hadn't bought or ripped in the first place. And yet others are songs that you've simply grown tired of. [2] In other words, the signal-to-noise ratio in your own collection can be nearly as variable as that in any commercial music service."
Big, unjustified jump between [1] and [2]. Percentages count here. I use my (40GB) iPod almost exclusively in shuffle mode (with no ratings--can't be bothered), and far from getting annoyed by songs I don't like, I'm nervous that I'm going to miss out on new stuff because I never bother to listen to the radio any more. It's a perfect blend of novelty and familiarity. Yes, I occasionally need to skip something, but far less often than I would if I had control over the radio.
If I had a Shuffle, I'd just dock it every night and get the same effect, at least until I went on a long road trip.
Posted by: Tim Walters | January 28, 2005 at 06:19 PM
They'll just sell millions, but it won't be a success? If you sold millions of anything you would be a success by any measure.
Posted by: Brian Weaver | January 29, 2005 at 07:03 AM
It sounds as if it just needs a mechanism to choose "popular" songs from the hard drive, rather than just randomly select them. I guess this would require some capacity to measure how popular song on the hard drive are (maybe just a count of the number of times they've been played or copied), but it's not sooo complicated.
Posted by: TW. Andrews | January 31, 2005 at 02:14 AM
I have smartplaylists for my most often played songs and for songs with a rating of 3,4, or 5. that keeps the shuffle playing only songs i like.
Posted by: Veken | January 31, 2005 at 04:58 AM
I can't wait to get mine - it's perfect.
1) It weighs next to nothing.
2) I'm going to use it solely for exercise (see pt. 1), primarily cycling. It holds a whole lot more than my crappy little Lyra (I'm buying a 1 gig one) but is still inexpensive enough that if I spill and break it, oh well.
3) Random rocks.
The iPod hasn't been able to capture me until this product. Now I'll probably be so enraptured I save up and go and buy the full banana for other uses.
Oh, and for $150 I get all this AND can interface with iTunes? Sold. iTunes as the interface is the biggest draw. This'll be my 3rd mp3 player.
hln
Posted by: hln | January 31, 2005 at 08:19 AM
It's such a good idea that you can do it right now.
You can set a Smart Playlist of songs that you've either rated highly or played frequently and set the Shuffle to fill from that playlist. It's quite simple to do really.
Posted by: Jay Reding | January 31, 2005 at 08:22 AM
You haven't really used iTunes, I guess. Here's all you have to do to make an iShuffle work with large music libraries. In iTunes:
1. Rate your songs
2. Create a smart playlist that:
a. Selects your top 4 & 5-star songs.
b. Ignores any genres you don't want to hear (audiobooks, for example)
c. Is set to randomly select 100 (for example) songs that fit the criteria in a & b
3. Set the iShuffle to use the new playlist
You're guaranteed to hear only songs you love and be surprised and pleased when they play. What's not to like?
Posted by: Chris | January 31, 2005 at 08:26 AM
You can set a Smart Playlist of songs that you've either rated highly or played frequently and set the Shuffle to fill from that playlist. It's quite simple to do really.
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You haven't really used iTunes, I guess. Here's all you have to do to make an iShuffle work with large music libraries. In iTunes:
1. Rate your songs
2. Create a smart playlist that:
a. Selects your top 4 & 5-star songs.
b. Ignores any genres you don't want to hear (audiobooks, for example)
c. Is set to randomly select 100 (for example) songs that fit the criteria in a & b
3. Set the iShuffle to use the new playlist
Admittedly, I have't used iTunes, though that may change in the near future, but what I'm thinking of is something slightly different than getting a random selection of popular songs. I think it would be cooler for each song to have a selection weight assigned to it according to it's popularity, and then draw songs from the entire pool, but skew the chances of a given song being selected according to the popularity-weight.
That way you'd end up with a lot of songs that you like quite a bit, some songs that you think are solid but maybe aren't as good as your current favorites and a few songs which you haven't heard in a long time.
The overall variety would be better than if you just picked from your very favorites, but the chances of getting a bunch of songs you don't like that much would be quite small.
Posted by: TW. Andrews | January 31, 2005 at 08:52 AM
Many others have noted that you can rate songs.
What I wanted to point out is that with 10 million iPod owners already (and unknowable number beyond that of iTunes only users, since it is free to download and use) not only can you rate songs, but that many people have indeed already rated and organized songs.
That is the tail, the deep base of people who are basically ready for the Shuffle after a long pieriod of developing large and deep musical libraries. Sure the Shuffle would not have succeeded had it come before iTunes and the iPod. But now the userbase has paved the way for something like the iPod Shuffle to exist at all, in a way no other player could pull off because they just do not have the same rich base of organized music to draw on.
What this predicts is that a lot of Shuffle buyers will be either people that use iTunes already or current iPod owners.
Apple has generally done a great job of producing products that leverage and rely on work people have already done in the past, to create new products you really couldn't see existing otherwise.
Posted by: Kendall Gelner | January 31, 2005 at 09:16 AM
skew the chances of a given song being selected according to the popularity-weight
Yep, that's precisely how party shuffle works in iTunes. Sounds like you should give it a try.
Posted by: Katherine | January 31, 2005 at 09:17 AM
Regarding comments on the iPod shuffle. Perhaps if one's music collection contains embarrassing purchases from the distant pass and other undesirable music - perhaps the owner should delete them. Or just not load them onto his or her iPod. Just a thought.
Also, I clicked through to this site from elsewhere and have no previous experience with it. I see references to "long tail" (sometimes capitalized). This apparently refers to something, but there's no explanation anywhere I can find that explains it. If this site is geared for insiders, that's cool, but if not, you might consider explaining what this is all about.
Posted by: Slippery Pete | January 31, 2005 at 10:14 AM
An Apple hardware post and not one, not one single link to Daring Fireball anywhere in the post, trackbacks, or comments? How can that be?
Posted by: dzd | January 31, 2005 at 10:37 AM
"Maybe if you have old stuff you don't like, you should just delete it." "You can set your own playlists and put them into the Shuffle." "Just use iTunes and define your preferences properly." That sounds like me taking control of the situation and putting in lots of work, and I thought that the gimmick behind the Shuffle was that you didn't need to do that.
As an earlier poster pointed out, if you already have a big library of stuff you like and an iTunes that's well trained, then the Shuffle looks great because you know that any pseudo-random selection of stuff is going to be things you'd have picked on your own. On the other hand, someone whose music collection is still on CD is not going to look on the Shuffle as such a great idea, because all it's going to do is dump a bunch of junk on him that he doesn't want, and he can't even see what it is that he's listening to.
Posted by: DensityDuck | January 31, 2005 at 10:37 AM
It may be a "value subtracted" iPod, but it's definitely a "value-added" USB 2.0 memory device. Plus, isn't this "value-subtracted" stuff the same thing they said about the iPod Mini -- and it was a huge success. Apple is going to sell a shitload of these things. Correction, is already selling a shitload because you can't buy them at the stores, they are sold out and the stores are taking "reservations."
Posted by: Louis Rossetto | January 31, 2005 at 11:47 AM
Well, the moral majority can't be wrong so we should all just shut up, eh?
The iPod is $300, and the iPod Mini is $250. The Shuffle is $100. I'd want a Shuffle based on that alone; I can make my own playlists and keep a scrap of paper around to tell me what's on the damn thing, since I'm used to Walkmans & such that don't have now-playing displays. But maybe I'd be just as happy to get a $120 Shuffle that had an actual screen on it.
As far as I can tell, an iPod Mini is just that--the same thing as an iPod, in a smaller package with less memory. They didn't fundamentally change the user interface the way that they did with the Shuffle. I'm really left wondering why I should buy a Shuffle as opposed to some other cheap mp3 player...
Posted by: DensityDuck | January 31, 2005 at 12:18 PM
So basically you blame the technology for your poor music buying habits, and you trust critics more than your own ears? I prefer variety in my music listening, thanks...
Posted by: hatless in hattiesburg | January 31, 2005 at 01:45 PM
I really look forward to the SHuffle more than any other mp3 mobile. It's light as a feather with almost no volume so it's unencumbering. It has a simple interface so I don't have to look at it to do what I want. It stores enough songs to keep me satisfied as I walk, hike, or work out, but not so much that I have to keep separate collections on it.
Regarding selection, since I /already/ keep play lists that store different kinds of music, which I play through randomly, downloading a random sample of those play lists is a /marvelous/ idea.
There are a lot of things I /don't/ want to come across randomly. THose tracks don't make my play lists. It's as simple as that. Anyone whose been using WinAmp back in 98 knows that.
Posted by: Aodhan Hoffman | January 31, 2005 at 02:37 PM
that ain't no case. boy oh boy what a waste of a read.
Posted by: dave | January 31, 2005 at 03:31 PM
I have an iBead which has all the things you say the Shuffle lacks. It's a PITA to use, doesn't work with iTunes, but it's light and only a tad bigger but I ordered a Shuffle because it will work with Itunes and I'll use that to make my playlists.
But the real and main reason... It's only $99. That's throw away money, money you don't have to ponder spending. When you get over 199.95 you ponder it. At $99 it's impulse. The Shuffle will break all kinds of sales records IMHO
Posted by: Frank Hogg | February 01, 2005 at 01:18 AM
I think Chris Anderson's criticism of the ipod shuffle is justified, just based on my own preferred methods of listening. i've got a lot of albums i've never heard on my computer. i like to upload them and then go through them throughout the day as i walk around. but then when i get home i always have to try to remember which songs i liked and didnt. i think they need a feature where you can clear up space as you go, deleting songs directly throug the ipod. say you put, whatever, the 240 songs on the gb shuffle. then say you get through a hundred songs that week and like a third of them and delete as you go. then at the end of the week you've got enough free space for a few more albums to go through, plus your favorites of what you've heard so far.
Posted by: Nathan Bush | February 01, 2005 at 01:47 AM
hatless: who are you responding to?
>But the real and main reason... It's only $99.
Exactly. People who want an MP3 player will look at the Shuffle because it's cheap and buy it because it has the Apple name (despite the fact that so few people use Apples in their daily life, everyone still recognizes the brand.)
Posted by: DensityDuck | February 01, 2005 at 06:14 AM
I agree that the IPOD Shuffle blows on high. There are many other compliant Mps players (Rio's Nitrus or Carbon) on the market that offer much more than this 512MB to 1GB range that the Shuffle offers. Apple is a weird company, one day they put out something which is remarkable (The Ipod)and the next they throw down something which is just absolute crap! I love my IPOD, but if I would have been a bit more knowledgable about some other players on the market I probably would have taken a pass.
ATL
Posted by: ATL | February 01, 2005 at 06:44 AM
A couple of people have said it, sort of, but it can't hurt to say again. The smart playlist feature on iTunes makes all the difference. If you load up your iPod Shuffle based on your *whole* library every time, the results will be something like what Chris suggests. But smart playlists let you easily set up sub-playlists: by genre, with a series of artist names, by your ratings, by notes in the comment fields, by inclusion in your regular playlists, by date, etc. There are a lot of options there, so if you want to get your music from *way* down the tail, it's not so hard to do so. (And you can set up a list with exclusions, too; so, say, if you don't want to hear Christmas songs in June, they're easy to exclude.) Anyway . . . if you're an average music listener, just digging what you dig--not worrying about catalog-like knowledge, understanding, and organizating of your music--you could easily set up a couple of mood-based playlists: angry, happy, mellow, etc. Playlists = noise filters, I guess is what I'm saying. The combination "match to" and "limit to" options is pretty powerful, but still pretty simple, too.
Posted by: fj | February 01, 2005 at 08:34 AM
>The smart playlist feature on iTunes makes all
>the difference.
But that's not a feature of the Shuffle, that's a feature of iTunes.
Or maybe the real feature of the Shuffle is that it's a cheap mp3 player that works with iTunes. Its whole purpose is to sell iTunes to people. If the Shuffle is designed to work much better with iTunes than with anything else (and if iTunes works better with an iPod, etcetera) then the low price point is augmented by a de facto subscription to iTunes (because your Shuffle works so well with it, right?)
Posted by: DensityDuck | February 01, 2005 at 09:54 AM
alright, i've used this shuffle. you can so chose music. you can decide to shuffle them, or simply play them in order continuously. the option to let the computer choose a playlist for you is for ease of use, not for marketing bla. if you are going to complain about something, go to an apple store and ask some questions first. you don't have the right idea, this isn't as random as you think, and if you can let loose, you can enjoy that too.
Posted by: Gabriella | February 01, 2005 at 08:28 PM
oh, and something else. i know for a fact that this is useful. it isn't like an ipod where you can voice record, see and organize your life on a calendar, contact list, etc, and most consumers don't even know ipods do those things (with the exception of the mini because it cannot voice record.) but for all of you who say the shuffle is a piece of crap, let me tell you, i use my ipod for school, but i would love to have a shuffle as a jump drive and just to play a select group of my songs. in a car, trying to scroll through music can be dangerous. not to mention this is just what people who work out were looking for, and the mini still had a harddrive. do not compare the shuffle to other mp3 players with more memory. apple has bigger ipods, so the argument is silly. just get the facts and seriously play with it. i thought it was lame before i heard the quality of it on speakers at the apple store and got to understand its limitations
Posted by: Gabriella | February 01, 2005 at 08:33 PM
I really don't follow some of the logic here. The Shuffle doesn't do anything that the shuffle or playlist features on a regular iPod can't do.
If you want to buy another Apple product, just go and do it and stop justifying the 'need' when there just isn't one if you've already got an iPod.
Posted by: Rovo | February 04, 2005 at 09:41 AM
Here's my experience for what it's worth. I got a 15GB iPod last year and barely used it. My favourite way of listening to music remains my hi-fi system at home, with headphones or not, depending on time of day and degree of concern for neighbours. I haven't yet ripped all my cds to mp3's, and have a lot of vynil which I'll probably never transfer to mp3 because it's such a pain (and I don't see the point of losing the vynil sound by transferring to mp3 anyway). But, I also enjoy carrying a walkman when I'm on the subway, train, walking, or cycling in town or in the park. A cd walkman is a pain to carry, it's too big to hold anywhere if you're not using a bag or large pockets, and even with a bag I'll only carry with you two or three cd's. Cassette walkmans are smaller and handier, but again I'm not likely to carry more than a couple of tapes. The 15GB iPod was too big for me in terms of capacity because I'm not going to want to carry around that much music, only the amount I'm going to want to listen to while I'm out and about for the day. The rest, I'll always have at home. The other thing I didn't like about the iPod is that it required a separate belt clip accessory or similar, if you wanted to wear it while cycling for instance; it could be inconvenient if you had no pockets to store it in. So (all considerations on audio quality aside, because nothing could ever match proper cd on hifi quality anyway), what I wanted was a cross between the cassette walkman and the iPod. I sold the 15GB a while ago, while I could still make some money from it, and went back to the cassette walkman. Then last month I got a 512 Shuffle because it was exactly the missing link I was looking for. I reckoned 100-ish tracks is the perfect amount I'm going to want to be able to carry around for short trips. I don't need a display because I'll just fill it with the playlists I choose. I barely used the display and browse function on the 15GB iPod except at the start, to pick a playlist or album or artist; I want my hands free when I'm around, especially if I'm on the bike.
I may use the iPod Shuffle more like a bigger cassette player than for the shuffle function itself, but to me, for the way I want to use it, the appeal of the Shuffle is evident. The fact it's so small and light is also a bonus. The price, too, obviously. It's also nice to carry around something that doesn't cost a fortune, you feel less worried about losing or dropping it. The iPod got scratched so easily.
The rest of the appeal has a lot to do with the brand, indeed, but I think the design itself is a big part of it too. It could be any other brand, it just so happens Apple has great designers. The Shuffles are selling very fast and it's taking weeks to get new orders delivered, so, I don't quite see the marketing failure, but maybe it's early to tell. Frankly I don't care much either way, as long as I can be delivered from the pain of cassettes!
Posted by: Monica | February 07, 2005 at 06:41 AM
By the way, I agree there's probably better choices of mp3 players if you're looking for bigger capacity (than the Shuffle), displays, other features... but personally I just didn't want any of that. I wanted something small, light, simple and cheap for short trips, with just enough music to last a couple of 1-hour train journeys plus the half-hour or so it takes to walk from the station to wherever I need to go. A mini-player, exactly.
I usually listen to a few artists or albums at a time, and I do pick my favourites to carry around, so I have no problem with the whole selection process. I prefer listening to whole albums rather than doing mixed playlists, but there's no filler anyway because it's only the stuff I like and choose. I don't need a display to tell me which track or artist it is, I'll know already from the first notes. I'd never listen to a cd for the first time on an mp3 player. I just want to carry around my favourites at that particular time. Not a hundred albums collection.
In the end, people are going to have different requirements and preferences in the way they listen to music on a portable player. Something will have more or less appeal depending on what you want, you can't expect one size to fit all.
Posted by: Monica | February 07, 2005 at 07:08 AM
I love my shuffle!
It does exactly what it says on the tin - it interacts beautifully with my powerbook, creates random playlists from my favourite tunes, is easy to fill up and keeps me amused for hours as I work out. I only want an mp3 player for the gym, this one is extremely light, doesn't get in the way or have an involved interface that needs my attention when i'm concentrating on something else. It's perfect for my requirements.
That doesn't mean I don't value and love a proper 60gig i-pod, but it's too chunky and precious to take for a run.
Posted by: pG | February 07, 2005 at 07:58 AM
I think you're wrong for a very simple reason.
Yes, the shuffle doesn't have a screen. What Apple decided is that for a RAM-based player, more memory capacity is more important then having a screen. If you don't agree, then you'll have to pay more for the same size device. In fact, I predict they'll have some imitators as time goes by, because its a pretty simple idea: ditch the useless screen, add memory instead.
For me, whild I've looked at RAm based players before 32/64/128/256 was just too small. It wasn't quite enough capacity. In fact, it wasn't until the 40GB iPod came out that IT was enough capacity, and I've now crossed its limits too.
Yet I'm now thinking about buying a shuffle, because the reality is that most of the time when I'm using my iPod, its just on general shuffle anyways. It some cases (the car), its nice ot have my entire music selection, so I can choose a playlist that suits my mood.
But for my morning walk, a shuffle would be lighter and easier to deal with. For that, I want two buttons. "shuffle on/off" and "skip". The fact that the iPod has a extra couple of buttons (on/off, skip back is nice, but ultimately, not that interesting.
Posted by: Opinionated Bastard | February 07, 2005 at 05:38 PM
Like I need a "commercial music service" to make recommendations about what I should listen to ?!? The ~lamest~ track in my music collection is better than any of the schlock some top-40 bozo would have me listen to. I for one love my shuffle, which is an impotant part of my Music Triad: iTunes for the house, 4G/40GB for the car(s), and an autoloaded shuffle for everywhere else.
If your music collection is ~that~ bad, why not free up some space & delete some tracks? Or have you considered that another track is only as far away as a press of the clickwheel??
Posted by: Charlies Other Brother | February 08, 2005 at 10:35 PM
"The ~lamest~ track in my music collection is better than any of the schlock some top-40 bozo would have me listen to"
Exactly! I actually am using the shuffle option more and more and it's a beauty. Sometimes the random selection gets it so spot on, picking just the right sequence, it's like having your own radio station playing only your favourite stuff.
I can understand preferring something bigger and with a display and all, that's a different need so you want a different kind of player. But the selection of tracks, whether you play them randomy or not, whether you prepare a playlist manually or use a smart playlist with autofill, is only going to be as bad as your collection. It's not that hard to come up with 120 or 240 songs you really like. It's impossible to get filler and lousy tracks if you actually choose what to put in your iTunes library. What's the point otherwise?
Posted by: Monica | February 09, 2005 at 09:48 AM
Chris,
Here's why I want an iPod shuffle, even though I already have a (filled-to-the-brim) 20-gig iPod: I like to run outside. Carrying around my iPod just doesn't work: the hard drive crashes from all the jostling, and it's heavy. Still, I have a gym playlist with something like 300 songs, which I use while running on the treadmill. The playlist is built for for shuffling, and -- sad to say -- it's pretty much the only thing I listen to regularly while exercising. (Total creature of habit.)
So the iPod shuffle is perfect for me: it won't crash while I run, and if I can dump my gym songs onto it, I'll have lots of tunes to accompany my outdoor jogs. I agree with you about filling it with random stuff from your iTunes library -- bound to be full of junk, and of course you're right that the absence of a screen is a bummer. It's just that for $100, I don't really care.
Posted by: Joanna | February 11, 2005 at 05:04 PM
My wife and I share an installation of iTunes - It's easier that way for various reasons. I have wide tastes (Prokofiev and Satie to Slipknot and Sinatra - Pizzicato 5 to Michelle Gun Elephant), Amanda's tastes are narrower and more mainstream.
Amanda got a Shuffle, and plumbed it straight into our iTunes - she didn't like the result. Within a couple of minutes she had set up a smart playlist that selects her taste of music random/dynamically from our collection, and randomly updates her Shuffle from that. She LOVED that.
The default behaviour of iPod Shuffle is not ideal. But it only takes a couple of minutes to make it work the way you want. This is part of the fundamental sophistication of Apple/iPod.
On the flip side of that two minutes of "hassle" Amanda has the cutest, most-stylish, best-value solid state digital music player available, and I'll be buying one shortly.
The screen is just an inconvenience. I can't read it while I'm skateboarding, snowboarding, mountain biking or at the gym - the only times I use a portable music player.
A benefit of random track selection is that it gives people an opportunity to discover gems that they had overlooked before - slow burn tracks that passed you by on first listening. It may not be for everyone - but I advise people with larger collections (mine runs to 33,552 tracks) to try it, it will unlock riches you never knew (or have forgotten) that you had.
Posted by: Marcus Dyson | February 13, 2005 at 12:53 AM
Chris -
Coming a bit late to this party, sorry for the pile-on. But I just wanted to offer an "I'm with you" - but for different reasons.
I started this long, strange digital music trip out with a Rio 300 back in 1998 - It had 64 MB built in, and I added another 64 MB card - a whopping 128MB - or around 2 hrs of music at 128kbps. It was perfect for a jog, or a commuter plane flight. I stuck with this baby up until Gen 3 of the iPod then made the switch. The 10gig iPod was heavier and bulkier, but held A LOT more music. In a way, the Rio was like the Shuffle (though it has a screen). What made me migrate was that I grew tired of having to constantly manage the music on there in order to keep it fresh.
Having my own "long tail" with me on an iPod with a large number of playlists, coupled with a DLO FM TransPod plugged in to the AC jack in the car and I have all the personal radio I need.
Oh, and perhaps because I started off with a player with so little disk space, I don't have a single "clanger" in my digital collection. I'm not one to rip a whole CD and leave songs I don't like in my collection. As a result I don't rate my music because if I did, they'd all be 4s and 5s anyway - so rating based random mix generators don't apply in my case. And even if I like all the songs, that does not mean I want bone jarring segueues (think James Taylor into The Red Hot Chili Peppers) as you pointed out.
For me, the larger capacity iPods, with some well crafted mixes, make the Shuffle as obsolete as my old Rio 300 which sits somewhere quietly in a closet awaiting the return of the Antiques Roadshow.
Posted by: David Sabel | February 22, 2005 at 09:02 PM
DensityDuck: "hatless: who are you responding to?"
i was just responding to the points of the main article. sorry if you thought it was about your comment.
Posted by: hatless in hattiesburg | March 16, 2005 at 12:36 PM
I was planning to by a 1G USB drive, which costs about $80. For $150 I got an iPod shuffle instead, which is also an ultralight digital music player. Pretty good deal. I know you can store files on a regular iPod, but it's not that easy. With my Shuffle, I just plug it in and any computer instantly recognizes it as an external drive.
Posted by: CM | April 25, 2005 at 08:21 AM